ESSENCE OF JESUS PREACHING --- MEANING OF SAVING
@ 2005-07-01 - 17:56:56Saving from the troubles and misery is the general sense of the word saving. In spiritual sense saving means cutting all the worldly bonds and establishing real bond with God, Who alone is the truth? God is truth. This means that God is infinite power. The creation is just His imagination and is almost not true. The imagining person is said to be truly existing. The world, which is just His imagination and which is completely not nothing. The world is made of an iota of energy of God. God is like the infinite ocean of energy. Compared to God the world is almost nothing. Thus this entire creation is under the full control of God. Just like the person doing some imagination creates an imaginary world in him, God created this imaginary world in Him. The imagining person can fully control the world. He can transform any item into any other item. He can raise a dead body in His imaginary world. All the miracles of human incarnations can be explained only by this concept.
God who is present in the human incarnation does all these miracles only to establish this concept. If the world is equally true, then the world is equally powerful to God. In such case God cannot do whatever He likes. Since the world is least powerful and God is most powerful, God controls the entire world like a very strong person controlling very weak person. Thus the world truth indicates the omni-potent nature of God. When we say that this world is not true, it indicates the negligible power of the world. Suppose a small ant is on your shirt, will you say that yourself and the ant are present in the house? The ant is negligible and is treated as nothing. Therefore, a person who knows this concept surrenders to God and accepts Him as the saviour. In his eyes the entire world looks like an ant before God. You are a tiny particle in this ant-world. You can understand your position by putting a relative scale.
Assume that this ant is Infinite Ocean of energy. You are an iota of that ocean. This means your power is negligible before the power of this entire nature. The world is like the ocean and you are like a drop in it. God is like the ocean and the world a drop in God. You must understand this simile not in terms of volume but in terms of the intensity of the power. When we utter the word God, we immediately imagine Him as a very large figure with unlimited boundaries. The space is largest but as no power as it is treated has nothing. The atom bomb is very small but it has enormous power. Therefore, our idea about God should not be in terms of the three-dimensional space. When a person imagines a large city, the city is very huge but the person is very small. But that small person has created, maintains and finally dissolves this huge city. He can do anything in this huge city. In fact He is standing outside this huge city. When He wants to enter into this huge imaginary city, He will imagine a small form and He identifies Himself with that form. That small form represents the outside person. This imagined form, which is identified by the outside person, is treated as the outside person directly. This imagined small form is the human incarnation. The outside person is God. The imaginary huge city is this world.
Thus God identifies Himself with the human incarnation. From this angle the human incarnation and the God or one and the same. There is another angle in which the human incarnation is not the original God but a part and parcel of God. In this angle God and the human incarnation are treated as father and son. You can experience the Father only through this Son. In the third angle the human incarnation is just sent by God into this world as a messenger with some power. Jesus talked this truth in all the three angles. Jesus can save any human being who has any one of these three angles. Acceptance of Jesus as your saviour is the essential step in the spiritual effort. Here Jesus means the human incarnation in general. Only God is the saviour. But you cannot approach God directly. Only through the human incarnation you can approach God. This means you should accept the human incarnation as that very God. In such case only the human incarnation becomes your saviour.
God is like free electrons flowing in the atmosphere. These Electrons are the electricity. Then can you heat water by keeping the vessel containing water in the atmosphere? When these Electrons enter a medium like the metallic wire, you can heat water. If the medium is human form it is most convenient for you to clear your doubts, to love and to serve Him. Therefore, acceptance of Jesus as your Saviour means that you should accept the human incarnation as your saviour. It is told that Jesus will come again. This means that the human incarnation is coming in every human generation.
Otherwise, if one generation was only blessed by such fortune, the other generations will charge God as partial and such charge is justified. Therefore, if you think that Jesus means only that particular human incarnation, which came about 2000 years back, you have lost the whole concept. Through a particular example generalization must be made. If you say that sodium atom is indivisible it means the atom of any element is indivisible. If you say that Daniel is born, it means that every human being will be born. If this basic analysis is lost, the entire spiritual castle falls down due to the absence of its foundation.
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Very interesting.
I like this idea of truth as power. I heard one physician talking some time ago about freedom and he had almost the same ideas as you have written here. He said that a free man and a powerful one as well was that who has no fears. Why? Because he has nothing to hide, he speaks only the truth and this truth make him powerful and free. That’s the most strange but true idea I have ever heard from a science man.
 | dattaswami [Member] 01/04/07 @ 08:52 |
Here truth means permanent. God existed before creation, exists during creation and will exist after destuction also. where as a soul or any living being did not exist before creation and will not exist after destruction.
so, God is only truth because He only exists at all times.
where as a soul or living being exists for sometime (during creation) and does not exist for sometime (before creation and after destruction). so a living being is not true.
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21/07/08 @ 18:08
what i read in this text can not enlight the path towards god or throught this shortsighted point of view or some sort of analyses will not be able to make known god in proper way.this is true in all aspect that jesus came to this world 2000yrs ago.If you go through all the scriptures except Bible also you will come to know the foretelling of jesus`s birth, life , death and his persnality(charactor).Jesus is the only son of god.even though there is trinity in our body like body, soul, and spirit we are seems to be one person in the same way there is a trinity in the supreme god i.e Father(Jahovah),Son(Jesus)and the Holy spirit(a spirit defferent to our spirit i.e spirit of god).Before the all creation the triune god was there in the form of spirit.God had a plan to creat the world for man and man for the lord.there was only an angelic world before the creation.there were groupes of andgels and each group havin one chief i.e archangel. There names are as follows Gebrial,Michael,Sarraf and Lucifer(a beutiful ,perfect and anointed cherubim).at that time angels were the only creation who were in the form of spirit and not having own will.what lord commands only that they could do.but lotd desired to make a man in his own image as there were some lakings of gods image in angels.He planned to create a man from the mud and make him able to sit with god and reign with him as his son and lord gave them a previlege to call him father which even the archangel could not recieve.This made Lucifer to speak against God becouse of his pride and jealosy.He forgot that he is the only creation whose switch is in gods hand.He was very beutiful having light in him.Like switch is off light goes and darkness comes the light which was in Lucifer became darkness.God never made darkness but only light but in the absence of light darkness formed.therefore Lucifer and his goup fell down light became darkness and lucifer became satan and his supportors evil spirits.They are enemies of God and man who is best of his all creation even better than angels.The authority to reign in this world was given to man not anyone else.but the satan decieved him and took the power and authority from him and made him an enemy to god bringing sin and darkness in him.God has a great plan for man than angels.Devil desturbed it curruptin man but was not able to destroy it.To re-esteblish human status and kingdom given to man Jesus came to this world to die for sin and redeem man from sin and satan and bring him in his kingdom and provide him his own kingdom ones he lost.Jesus came in human form and dwell with man to reveal God,his plan and the kingdom of God.He died and raised from dead therefore he is the true way to life (Gods presens). Your openion That "the acceptance of Jesus as your Saviour means that you should accept the human incarnation as your saviour. It is told that Jesus will come again. This means that the human incarnation is coming in every human generation" is totaly false.Jesus is GOD and He is incomparable.You can not compare Him with a human incarnation.Human existence is to be from a man due to the sexual relationship but as the history testifies Jesus was born to a Virgin without any sexual relationship.
Human incarnation and jesus
1)Human incarnation is not possible without the above mantioned relationship but Jesus born without that relation.
2)Human incarnation can not give life to dead but Jesus raised dead from death and gave them new life.
3)Human incarnation can not heal the deseas but Jesus healed blined,lame etc.
4)Whatever Human incarnation says it can not be so as he said but Jesus said whoever belive me will do great things than I did and we are seeing many saints in jesus name healing sickness,teaching to recive gods peace which is indesturbed even in great trouble,there are some who are givin life to dead in jesus name praying to God in his name I am witness for that.
5) Human incarnation itself can not raise up from death but Jesus raised up from death after three days of his death.
6)Human incarnation is mmortal but Jesus as He raised up from dead He is immortal.
7)Jesus has no sin in him, He didn`t any sin,He never knew sin becouse of which sin, hell,devil,death and the world could not hold him and her arised from amon dead with an immortal body.
His birth is marvallous, His life is marvallous,His death is also marvallous but the human incarnation is miserable without this faith.Those who truly belive him ,recieved him as there personal saviour and living a life pleasing him are experiencing the same which our lord Jesus did will surely experience the remaining things also.As Jesus overcame satan,sin,trials,sickness,defilement of the world and death and raised up(as these had no power)and living forever and ever in eternal abode we also will be able to do so with Jesus.
Is Jesus comparable to anything like Human incarnality?
impossible!!
A true saint is always hidden in God as he always reveal God and his existence.It makes others a saint then other do not exolt that saint as they are also becamesaints.They honour that saint and exolt God and think that we all humanbeing are one and GODs children and always greatful to God alone.
But a false sait is like a wolf in lambs midst at the start it could be good but end is miserable.he speak about God in incorrect way becouse of that others couldnot able to attained that saintship and start to look as he is great.Some make him God and exolt him more than god.Such people are away from truth and decieving themself changing truth for name,fame,joy and honour ;it is abominable thing before God.
Are you a true Saint?
How come it will be revealed?
If you are hurt with the comment you are surely not a true saint but if you are able to humble yourself and seek truth which comes from above from God Himself,If you could here Gods voice which is sweater than the sweat,when other see you if they see God in you and able to recieve this devine charactor in them;yes you are truly a saint.
How to become a true saint.
Until and unless a seed dies in the ground it can not bring fruets.After it brings fruit others are benifited with that and they admire the fruits not seed, this is the joy of seed its aim.seed is a saint,fruits are Gods wisdom and charactor.Until and unless a saint die he will not be able to give wisdom and charactor of God to others; he will be pleased if other glorify God but will never be pleased if other deny and neglect him.He will never please that othe should exolt him and his ability instead he will rejoice if others deshonour, deny and neglect and glorify God alone becouse He is the only one who is most worthy of glory and honour.
The aim of a true saint
The aim of a true saint is to make others saints and both together be equivalant in Gods wisdom and charactor.He always take care that there should not be any defference in between them.There is defference in between telling about wisdom and charactor of God the supreme and giving it to others.A flower and a thorn are placed together same way true and false teachers or saints are also placed in this world together but there charactor is defferent.A flower is beutiful thatswhy it is able to give beutiful fragrance to others but a thorn is neither beutiful nor some beuty comes out from that except wonds.
What type of saint you are. If you gain the whole world(name,fame ,honour of others) and lose your own soul into the hell what benifit you will have and what condition your will be if it turn into truth.Whoever takes GODS name invain even imagine and say against Him will be purnished but if we become a true saint the lord shall be our refuge and they who became saints will be the thorn of glory ,joy and honour from GOD for us.Both will be our reward in heaven and our joy will be boundless.LORD Jesus is coming soon to gather His true saints.AMEN LORD JESUS COME SOON!!
| dattaswami [Member] 26/07/08 @ 17:28 |
Dear Rajesh ji
It is very nice of you that you have raised very good points in Essence of Jesus preaching...in the above post. Defintely, these can not be answered in short and we need a long discussion throuh a series of mail exchanges. We will discuss all one by one.
Bible says that Jesus is the God in flesh. Gita says Krishna is the God in flesh (Manusheem tanumasritaam...). Here the flesh is not the GOD. The unimaginable God is entering into a medium (the human body) which is part of his own creation to preach to the human beings, to show the real spiritual path. Once we experience that GOD in flesh through his miracles, and importantly through his special divine knowledge, our aim is to follow whatever he says. Our aim here is not to find how he is born, our aim is to please that GOD in flesh(the human incarnation).
When God enters this common medium of human beings (Flesh) not many accept him due to the ego and jealousy. This happened with Jesus and with Krishna also. Jesus told I am the way. Krishna told surrender to me. This means the path is to surrender to the God in flesh present before you.
Jesus told he will come again. Krishna also told he will come again and again. The most important point is how to identify GOD when he comes again. He will not look like Jesus or krishna. He may or may not perform same set of miracles. But one thing for sure, he will exhibit is his wonderful divine knowledge which is the real identifying mark.
Whole essence of spirituality is that Identify that God in flesh and please him and that too in this human birth only. Because as per christianity,islam there is no rebirth and as per hinduism also, getting rebirth is rarest of rare.
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-Durgaprasad
| dattaswami [Member] 26/07/08 @ 17:31 |
Dear Rajesh ji
This is continuation to the previous post on human incarnation.
God (Holy Spirit) and Human Incarnation
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STATEMENT: - MATHEW 10: 40
Lord Jesus was the human incarnation of the Holy Spirit. The human body of Holy Jesus is like the metallic wire, which was all over, pervaded by the Holy Spirit. Veda says ‘Antarbahischa’ which means that the Holy Spirit pervades all over the body of Human Incarnation. Wherever you touch the wire the electric shock is given. Similarly the entire human body of Holy Jesus is holy. The holiness is the nature of Holy Spirit just like the shock is the property of electricity.
As the electricity cannot be separated from the wire, the Holy Spirit cannot be separated from the Holy Jesus. So here the Holy Spirit is the Holy Jesus. Holy Jesus refers this Holy Spirit as His Father. He tells that He was sent by His father as a messenger. Though He and His father are one and the same, He speaks like this for which there is a practical reason i.e., every human being repels with another human being. A man cannot accept another man as God due to Jealousy and Egoism. Bhagavatgita says, “A man will insult Me when I come here in human form (Avajananti mam….)”. For this purpose Holy Jesus wants Himself to be called only as the messenger of the Holy Spirit by the disciples whenever He is introduced to the public. If He tells the truth the egoistic public will not hear even what He preaches and will reject Him. Therefore He is telling His disciples to introduce Him as a messenger only. Ofcourse, the disciples are really the messengers of Holy Jesus.
Holy Spirit has taken over the human body of Holy Jesus and pervaded all over the body to preach the divine knowledge to this world. The same Holy Spirit is sending the disciples for the propagation of the Divine knowledge. Both the body of Holy Jesus and the disciples are instruments of the Holy Spirit chosen for different purposes. The Holy Spirit is preaching through the body of Holy Jesus and is propagating the divine knowledge through disciples. Therefore if you respect the disciple you are respecting the Holy Spirit indirectly. Though both the instruments exist like this, the Holy Spirit is present in Jesus and is not present in the disciples.
Due to this difference the disciple is an indirect instrument and the direct instrument is Holy Jesus. The disciple propagates the divine knowledge after hearing from the Holy Jesus. Therefore when such disciple is respected, Holy Jesus is respected first and then the Holy Spirit. But among the disciples there may be some person who cannot repeat what Holy Jesus exactly preached. In such a case the Holy Spirit will take over the body of that disciple and preaches (Mathew 10: 20). Such a disciple differs from Holy Jesus because the Holy Spirit resides in that disciple for some time only where as the Holy Spirit resides in Jesus all the time.
Holy Jesus is telling that He is the messenger of the Holy Spirit and He is also telling that the disciple is His messenger. He is giving the same status to Himself and the disciple by telling like this. The reason is that some disciple may become jealous in future if He says that He Himself is the Holy Spirit where as the disciple is His messenger only. The difference in the status may bring jealousy. Therefore He is maintaining the equal status so that no devotee becomes jealous of Jesus in the future. Due to jealousy the disciple may slip from Holy Jesus.
When He says that He is only the messenger, this shows the humble and submissiveness of Holy Jesus. He wants His disciples to be humble and submissive to the Holy Spirit through out their lives. For this purpose He sets Himself as an ideal. The Holy Spirit present in the human body of Holy Jesus is the essence of true and infinite knowledge as Veda says “Satyam Jnanam Anantam Brahma….” Humbleness and submissiveness are the fruits of the Divine Knowledge. Therefore the humbleness and submissiveness are the qualities of the Holy Spirit itself. This means whatever Holy Jesus speaks is the statement of the Holy Spirit only.
At the lotus of Shri Dattaswami
-Durgaprasad
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