Conversation between Swami & Christian Father
O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,
Following is the conversation of Myself (Swami) with a Christian Father in a train journey from Narasaraopet to Vijayawada in Andhra Pradesh, India.
Christian Father: Those who do not have faith in Jesus Christ are destined to be consigned to the flames of liquid fire in Hell. This is the declaration of our faith.Swami: Does that mean that there is no salvation to all the devotees on this earth prior to the incarnation of Jesus Christ? If so, all those devotees were subjected to prejudice of God, as they were deprived of that revelation, which their successors had?
Christian Father: God is impartial in that subject. He gave Jehovah to mankind for their salvation before the incarnation of Jesus.
Swami: Fine! If that be so, devotees of this land have no knowledge of either Jehovah or Jesus Christ prior to the arrival of Vasco da Gama. Vasco da Gama discovered India and only later on, the Christian literature that speaks of Jehovah or Jesus came to India. All those innocents, who lived before the arrival of Vasco da Gama deprived of the revelations of either Jehovah or Jesus Christ, were consigned to the flames of the ‘liquid fire’ for no fault of theirs. They were not to regenerate by taking human births again and reclaim the salvation since the doctrine of the faith you follow has no place for the rebirth of the soul.
Does this mean that God intended to provide the revelation only to a handful in a small country and deny the opportunity to all those living in rest of the world? Why did God reveal Himself at a particular point of time, in a particular land, to a particular section alone? Does that not inflict the God with prejudice?
Christian Father: No faith is free from such blame. Does not the faith you belong to, charge the non-believers of your faith to the same danger of hell? All mortals in other land, not aware of the virtues of the faith you follow, are subjects of the same punishment in hell! Does this also not inflict God with Prejudice?
Swami: There are enthusiasts who are fans in every faith. Christian enthusiasts maintain that non-believers in Jehovah or Jesus Christ shall be subjects for the flames of the liquid fire. Hindu enthusiasts maintain that non-believers of Lord Vishnu or Lord Shiva shall be subjects for affliction in hell. They further introduce and adopt sectarian salvation, which limits itself to certain sections only. Followers of different sects castigate each other by such warnings.
All these partisans fail to appreciate the unity in thought of all the world religions. All these ‘approaches’ to God, afflict Him with Prejudice. The only way to keep God unblemished is to perceive His generosity correctly.
The same single God revealed Himself distinctly in different places, in different times and to different people in different forms. He granted the same enlightenment to all in different tongues [languages]. All those faithful attain salvation upon receiving the enlightenment. Those who fail to receive are subjected to the liquid fire in hell. This approach towards God makes Him unblemished. The God of all religions is one and the same. He may appear to be different due to differences in His approach to different people, in different times, in different forms and in different tongues. He nurtures all with same compassion.
The sea receives all the rivers in the same way, whether they are straight or curved. The devotion is important and not the religion or path. If the straight river becomes proud and mocks at the curved river, God will see that the straight river will never reach Him. By His will, people will build a dam on that river to divert all the water!
Every one needs to follow the path assigned in his faith to attain salvation. Every religion has different levels of spiritual enlightenment. One should move up to the higher level for comprehension of the total enlightenment. Such enlightenment alone is the means of salvation.
These levels of enlightenment in each religion are similar to the levels of education. Different religions are similar to different language mediums. The content of the curriculum is same in all the language mediums. A pupil of a certain language should strive to reach higher levels of knowledge in the same medium of his choice. He is a pilgrim in pursuit of divinity. His medium is his opportunity. It is neither superior nor inferior to any other medium. He need not move on to another language medium to uplift himself. All the language mediums are different religions with different levels of knowledge. A school student studying science in a particular medium (language) need not change his medium, because even if he changes, the syllabus will not change. He should strive to change his syllabus by raising his standard of knowledge and reach to college level in the same medium. The school and college levels exist in every medium. A school student does not become a college student just by changing the medium of his class. He becomes a college student only, when the level of his knowledge rises up. Similarly, a devotee of any religion should try to reach the higher spiritual level in his own religion. His spiritual level is not raised by changing his religion. Every religion has the lower and higher levels of spiritualism meant for devotees of corresponding stages. Religion is the medium and spiritualism is the curriculum or syllabus with different levels (school level, college level etc.,) present in the same religion.
One shall strive to reach the higher levels of knowledge that are carved out in his own faith. No one needs to move on to another faith for higher level of knowledge for the will of final salvation. All faiths lead to the same destination. In any path, you will have to proceed vertically to reach the goal. At any point of your path, if you travel horizontally, you will reach the same point of level in another path, which is a waste. The realization of this truth alone ensures harmony among different faiths of the world. Failure to perceive the truth will not make anyone enlightened.
[When Swami concluded like this, the Christian Father stood and touched his heart in the model of a cross and said, “We believe that Jesus will be born again. Yes. Jesus is again born now. Nobody else can explain like this. I am fully convinced”.]
Swami told the devotees, “See, the Christian father did not rigidly limit his mind with conservatism. Every religion contains good and broad-minded devotees. My effort of propagation of knowledge is for such devotees who are present in every religion in this world”.
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- 2009-01-31 @ 20:28:51
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- 2009-02-02 @ 15:16:49
Dear Mr.Mark
Thank you for your response. The path mentioned by you is necessary I agree.
The path mentioned by you,i.e., the prayers, meditation etc., are the theoritical phase of worship of God. The highest phase of worship is the practical worship of God. That is participation in God's mission which can be done by two ways: sacrifice of work (propagation of His Knowledge) and sacrifice of fruit of work (again for God's mission). All the closet devotees of Jesus spent their whole life in propagating the knowlege preached by Jesus.
This can be seen from:
Sacrifice of Wealth Is The Way
Matthew–6 : 19 to 22
“Do not Lay up for yourselves, treasures on earth. But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven. For where your treasure is there your heart will be also”.
Matthew -7: 21
“Not everyone who say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but He who does the will of My Father in Heaven”.
Coming to the world peace and removal of terrorism--
There are two root causes for the entire chaos and terrorism in this world. One is the thirst for earning money and the other is the religious fanatic. Due to money, people are quarreling, whereas due to religion, countries are quarreling. Unless these two root causes are eradicated we cannot achieve world peace.
The tree will not die by cutting leaves and branches. It dies only by cutting its roots. There is no use in earning the extra money. Due to excess money, quarrels, mental worries and several other problems arise. Finally, it ends in loss only and not in any profit. You have to leave all this extra money here only and quit this world alone. Your issues may lose that money given by you. Such sinful extra money brings problems not only to you but also to your children. Neither yourself nor your children will be happy and peaceful. This entire world is the property of God and take whatever is required from it.
The terrorist will not change by love or kindness shown to him. He becomes the terrorist due to the wrong knowledge that enters his brain. He was convinced by that knowledge. The religious conservatism can be removed only by the true spiritual knowledge given by God. We can clearly see such wonderful knowledge in the above post on universal spirituality.
At Lotus feet of Shri Dattaswami
-Prasad
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- 2009-11-04 @ 13:46:05
Blogs are so informative where we get lots of information on any topic. Nice job keep it up!!
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Dissertation Help
Jesus taught that there is one best way to pray to God: that is the Lord's Prayer, prayed alone in a closed room. He teaches this at Matthew 6 and in Luke of the Bible. If every Christian practiced this teaching religiously, God's will would be much more prevalent in the world.
As to world peace, it is up to us to set up and live under world institutions that will practice it instead of subverting and corrupting it. It wouldn't matter how ethical we were as individuals, if we lived under the rules of an institution of slavery. Same with world peace.
I have attempted to describe these institutions in LEARNERS: On the Move from WeaponWorld to PeaceWorld, at
http://peaceworld.110mb.com/020TABLEOFCONTENTS.htm
Please feel free to get back to me with comments, should you feel so inclined.